"Steven M. Haflich" <smh_no_spiced_ham@alum.mit.edu> · Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:12:45 -0800

Hi;

www.f**kedcompany.com reported that Swiss Air has stopped flying as of yesterday.

http://www.swissair.com/

Weren't they supposed to be buying up all the old Explorers?

-jm

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
Hi;

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:16 am, ford@objs.com wrote:

Yes, it was SwissAir who uses Explorers for gate scheduling, and
probably owned most of the surviving Explorers.

However, as I understand it, most operations of SwissAir are now part of
Swiss International Air Lines, http://www.swiss.com, so maybe they have
the Explorers, or maybe not.

Anyone on this list in Switzerland?

I was so quick on the trigger when I sent this message, that I hadn't
yet followed the links on the web site to the "liquidation" area of
the site.  When I followed the links, I found an "email for info"
form.

I would've sent an inquiry about the LispMs, but's it's not in a
language I can either read or write.  Can anybody help out?
Perhaps a posting to comp.lang.lisp appealing for help in obtaining
some of them would be helpful? (I do not have a newsfeed that allows
posting.)
Alternatively, maybe some individual collectors (Hi, William) or
groups like the Retro-Computing Society of Rhode Island (Hi, guys)
would be interested, too.

-jm

Steve

John Morrison wrote:

Hi;

www.f**kedcompany.com reported that Swiss Air has stopped flying as of
yesterday.

http://www.swissair.com/

Weren't they supposed to be buying up all the old Explorers?

-jm

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
ford@objs.com wrote:

> Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to 
> include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?

Doubtful.

All this is based on public knowledge.  If you spend enough time
searching press releases about the SwissAir bankruptcy, you will
learn that their EDP arm was a subsidiary company named Atraxis.
Atraxis was sold to EDS Switzerland and, so far as I know, is
still fairly intact and operating.

www.atraxis.com redirects to www.eds.ch which has history and
company information.

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
Paolo Amoroso wrote:

On
Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:56:52 -0500, John Morrison wrote:
www.f**kedcompany.com reported that Swiss Air
has stopped flying as of

yesterday.

http://www.swissair.com/

Weren't they supposed to be buying up all the old Explorers?

By the way, who did the hardware and software--i.e. operating
system

fixes--maintenance of all those Explorers? Is there anything similar to the

current Symbolics Research? Did Swiss Air do all of this in house?

Paolo
I don't know exactly what SwissAir did, but when TI sold DSG 

to HP, DSG's service business was part of the deal, and 

I know that business continued to support Explorer hw for a while 

anyway.  I dealt with them once during that period in the early

90s.  I don't know of any organization supporting the sw, however.

My guess is that at some point Swiss Air, then Atraxis, 

now EDS, had to handle it all itself.  I've been contacted a few 

times by them looking for parts, and even once looking for

someone to make them more memory boards.  EDS, one would think,

is fully capable of supporting anything they want, but it doesn't 

seem a likely employer for your average Lisper, unless they've 

changed a lot since the Ross Perot days.

Steve

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
Hi;

www.f**kedcompany.com reported that Swiss Air has stopped flying as of yesterday.

http://www.swissair.com/

Weren't they supposed to be buying up all the old Explorers?

-jm

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
Hi;

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 11:16 am, ford@objs.com wrote:

Yes, it was SwissAir who uses Explorers for gate scheduling, and
probably owned most of the surviving Explorers.

However, as I understand it, most operations of SwissAir are now part of
Swiss International Air Lines, http://www.swiss.com, so maybe they have
the Explorers, or maybe not.

Anyone on this list in Switzerland?

I was so quick on the trigger when I sent this message, that I hadn't
yet followed the links on the web site to the "liquidation" area of
the site.  When I followed the links, I found an "email for info"
form.

I would've sent an inquiry about the LispMs, but's it's not in a
language I can either read or write.  Can anybody help out?
Perhaps a posting to comp.lang.lisp appealing for help in obtaining
some of them would be helpful? (I do not have a newsfeed that allows
posting.)
Alternatively, maybe some individual collectors (Hi, William) or
groups like the Retro-Computing Society of Rhode Island (Hi, guys)
would be interested, too.

-jm

Steve

John Morrison wrote:

Hi;

www.f**kedcompany.com reported that Swiss Air has stopped flying as of
yesterday.

http://www.swissair.com/

Weren't they supposed to be buying up all the old Explorers?

-jm

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
ford@objs.com wrote:

> Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to 
> include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?

Doubtful.

All this is based on public knowledge.  If you spend enough time
searching press releases about the SwissAir bankruptcy, you will
learn that their EDP arm was a subsidiary company named Atraxis.
Atraxis was sold to EDS Switzerland and, so far as I know, is
still fairly intact and operating.

www.atraxis.com redirects to www.eds.ch which has history and
company information.

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448
Paolo Amoroso wrote:

On
Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:56:52 -0500, John Morrison wrote:
www.f**kedcompany.com reported that Swiss Air
has stopped flying as of

yesterday.

http://www.swissair.com/

Weren't they supposed to be buying up all the old Explorers?

By the way, who did the hardware and software--i.e. operating
system

fixes--maintenance of all those Explorers? Is there anything similar to the

current Symbolics Research? Did Swiss Air do all of this in house?

Paolo
I don't know exactly what SwissAir did, but when TI sold DSG 

to HP, DSG's service business was part of the deal, and 

I know that business continued to support Explorer hw for a while 

anyway.  I dealt with them once during that period in the early

90s.  I don't know of any organization supporting the sw, however.

My guess is that at some point Swiss Air, then Atraxis, 

now EDS, had to handle it all itself.  I've been contacted a few 

times by them looking for parts, and even once looking for

someone to make them more memory boards.  EDS, one would think,

is fully capable of supporting anything they want, but it doesn't 

seem a likely employer for your average Lisper, unless they've 

changed a lot since the Ross Perot days.

Steve

Steve Ford

   OBJS

   West Grove, PA

   610 345 0448

Subject:	Re: SwissAir Explorers
Date:	Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:12:45 -0800
From:	"Steven M. Haflich" <smh_no_spiced_ham@alum.mit.edu>
To:	ford@objs.com
Newsgroups:	comp.lang.lisp
References:	<3E89CE06.4000808@objs.com>

Subject:	Re: SwissAir Explorers
Date:	Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:12:45 -0800
From:	"Steven M. Haflich" <smh_no_spiced_ham@alum.mit.edu>
To:	ford@objs.com
Newsgroups:	comp.lang.lisp
References:	<3E89CE06.4000808@objs.com>